Day 12 of Olmert's killing campaign is in the books and still no military accomplishments to speak of. This is the point where you start making them up. These make believe scenarios have to be creative, captivating, and convincing. Recent examples of such practices can be seen in Bush's War on Terror. Remember when the CIA stopped a group of Haitians in Miami seconds before they punctured a Sears Tower voodoo doll? How about that junkie here in Clemenceau that was going to flood Manhattan in one of his LSD trips?
Ok, maybe make-believe war accomplishments don't have to be convincing but they must make for catchy headlines. So in an effort to help Olmert sell a "victory" to his people and so that he stops killing civilians left and right, I propose we compile a list of war trophy headlines that he can showcase in lieu of real accomplishments.
I'll get it started:
-Mossad Agents trim Nasrallah's Beard, Render him Powerless.
-Overdose of Eighties' War Songs Drive Lebanese Society Nuts.
-....
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fearless: ouuuu creepy...please stop scaring us please please
the rest of your comment is as astounding.
versuspropaganda: are you guys programmmed to type this stuff?
Philip i: Trying to get some traffic??
Israeli Destructive Forces captures 2 Kalashnikov Rifles in Maroun El-Rass, a coffee thermos and a clay mug.
Olmert doesn't need your childish efforts to pretend victories for him. Barely two days into the ground campaign and the IDF has already captured the high ground (including three towns -- so much for the 'mighty resistance') and is now punching northward.
Feel free to keep on believing Beirut Bob, broadcasting from his little hidey-hole, if you like. But eventually your denial bubble is going to collapse under the weight of reality ... and it's going to hurt like a bastard.
dear maxzurich,
it HAS come up, on quite a few blogs. maybe you should read back to when this conflict first started.
however, currently, the almost 400 civilians killed and the 500,000+ displaced are slightly more important. but i guess you just don't see that.
"Civilian" is such a meaningless word. It has been rendered totally meaningless by the middle east.
Every member of Hezbollah is a "civilian" so yes, Israel is going to be civilians. If you don't want Israel to kill "civilians", then perhaps your "civilians" should stop launching rockets into Israel.
If you want to see less dead babies, then perhaps you should stop having "civilian" fathers hide rockets in their closet.
There is a huge difference between a "civilian" who attends Hezbollah rallies, preaches hate against Israel, hides rockets in his basement, and fires rockets into Israel versus a civilian who is non-political and just wants to go to the beach.
When will the world recognize this difference and stop the incessant whining?
luv the Israeli comments on this blog. If you really have somethign useful to say then post it on your own blogs. Chances are it will be read by more. More google spiders will catch it instead of it getting hidden in Jamal's comments.
Nothing useful eh? thought so!
luuuvvvvvvvvvvvv it
BBC Admits Many Lebanese Casualties are Terrorists
The British Broadcasting Corp. (BBC) has admitted that many of the victims of Israeli retaliation in Lebanon are terrorists and not innocent civilians. A BBC reporter said he saw Hizbullah terrorists using a private home and added, "It is difficult to quantify who is a terrorist and who is a civilian."
Media reports have emphasized that Israeli air strikes have killed more than 350 Lebanese civilians, prompting accusations that the IDF is carrying out "collective punishment" on the country.
Khaleej Times Online >> News >> MIDDLE EAST
Captured Israeli soldiers safe: Lebanon’s foreign minister
BEIRUT - The two Israeli soldiers abducted by the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah on July 12 are “in good health,” Lebanese Foreign Minister Fawzi Salloukh said on Sunday.
“The Israeli soldiers are in good health and in a safe place,” Salkhoud told reporters, and called for a third party or friendly country to engage in mediation.
So the Government of Lebanon now states that it has the two kidnapped soldiers, thus all of lebanon is now a target..
maxz,
"what seems to be a slight bias of HA towards only civilian targets" ...
sources please on that. all the news sources i've read; ap, afp, reuters, and lately even CNN, have pointed otherwise.
and what do my grievances have to do with anything. bottom line is, israel is killing people that had nothing to do with what hezbollah did. and the ideological ramifications of such attacks are yet to be seen.
My Israeli friends:
Today I am going to adopt a polite and cordial tone, because I really wish I could make you understand what the rest of the world is seeing. I don't know if you are seeing it or not. Even in the US, we have pictures of whole neighborhoods destroyed. Even on our corporate news, we hear of one atrocity here, another there. According to a cnn poll, the people of America (not our government) may be sympathetic towards Israel, but they are very uncomfortable with what is going on.
And I know you probably can't see this either, but it truly looks like from here you have lost the war already. There is no military objective you can accomplish without a cease-fire. You certainly have lost the propagand war. Our sleeping American left is getting more and more troubled. There is more talk of ways to isolate Israel, in the same way South Africa was in the 80s. And you what? We have a far right, sort of Libertarian Conservative faction in the US that has been pushing this idea that American policy is dictated from Tel-aviv for a long time. This reached into your American support base in the ruling Republican party, that doesn't care as much about AIPAC because American Jews mainly have voted Democratic. So please, cease-fire. It is the only answer. You are only making it worse for yourselves, and more so for the Lebanese by continuing. Look, you basically attacked a pro-US government for the crimes of a faction. That faction will become part of the opposition parties in Lebanon. Right now you are uniting most of the Lebabese, despite the propaganda you are likely fed in Israel.
And I don't know if you are aware of your losses or not. It was astounding for me toread the accounts, right in the Washington Post, of the battles near the border. Tanks have been blown up. One of your ships was sunk, and then made propaganda out of by Hezzbollah.
I know some of you are saying, "well what else can we do?" Someone has to be the first to stop shooting. It should be the 5th (or is the 4th) most powerful military on earth. Not the small weak nation of Lebanon.
War is not the answer.
What could be used to sell the peace, Jamal? How about "our conscience won't let us kill more innocents."
I do agree that the IDF uses excessive force in Lebanon, and that Israel can't wipe out the Hizbullah completely yet, it would be wrong to say that there are no military accomplishements in this campign. The issue here, isn't whether Israel has the right to defend herself, the issue is the killing of innocent civilians while doing so - and that's what I, as an Israeli citizen who believes that citizens should be kept out of the war, strongly oppose.
"part of the government, not opposition." Ok, if you prefer to see it that way. what I meant is it will be a party that holds some of the seats in government, but probably not the ruling party. But thanks for at least considering what I'm saying. Look, at this point I actually have more hope that some combination of the Europeans and your government will realize the cost to the common people in Lebanon, and I hoping for compassion. I know your feeling as though the threat is great, and this justifies what has happened, but I widh I could make you see that the human cost is too high.
And now we hear reports of the more pro-western, more educated, sort of middle-class to affluent are leaving Lebanon. This can't be a good thing for Lebanon or Israel, as far as I can tell.
Why can't there be a prisoner exchange? Why can't the claims of water being diverted at least be addressed? And most importantly, and the hardest to do - the people of Gaza and West bank given a just deal. We are also getting reports about the conditions in gaza. Do you think this might be a reason Hezzballah decided to act? Some have suggested it.
Anyway, I implore Israelis to stop this. The west (paricularly Europe) is astounded by what has been done to Lebanon.
Jamal- go on man....continue your good work, and let some stupid continue posting and showing their stupidity....
do they know what do we think of them?
mahdoumeen ekhwet el.....hehe
OK. Fine. And I know that many Americans are very supportive of Israel, and some of them don't like what they are doing now. This is even better, because as Americans we bear a greater responsibility to stop this, because we have in part caused it. We supply the bombs that are killing Lebanese. We are doing that now, in fact.
No, I think Israel has a right to exist , in as much as nation-states have a right to exist at all. I also believe Lebanon has a right to exist. I see that right threatened far more than Israel's right now. Israel is the most powerful country in the region. You're probably going to slam me for this, but I feel they have the luxury of being compassionate if they choose.
I don't regard Hezzballah as much of a threat to Israel's existence. And I still believe if the United States would really want to solve the issue of Gaza and West Bank in a fair way, Israel would be accepted. That is the main issue driving all of this from the Arab world side.
Look, Egypt and Sausi Arabia, and many others have been able to acoid all out war with Israel, to live along side Israel. Your going to argue that they don't accept their existence. OK. Maybe, But they have apparently accepted that they can't do anything about its existence. And many have suggested that the Saudis also wanted the Hezzballah sort of taken out - for lack of a better term. So, this would infer that they pretty much accept their existence.
At any rate, if you truly are troubled by what is being done to the Lebanese, I hope you act on that. i really do.
Another reason is that I see this as a prelude to a larger war - Iran and Syria are the targets. You probably are going to tell me that Iran needs to be dealt with. Fine. We could differ. But in the meantime, a country that was an ally of the US (still is?) is suffering. There shouldn't be proxy wars forcing others to suffer, too
I still think Jamal's point is valid. Olmert has seemingly gone on a rampage, probably because Bush wanted to test more of his neocon theories(which I think have failed miserably), and see how possible it would be to weaken Iran. And I believe it has been a dismal disaster for them. But we'll see in the months ahead. Also, will the Russians and the Chinese sit by if the US attacks Iran? I don't know. Maybe Israel will attack Iran. From even a tactical point of view(which I admit I don't care to know much about), it seems self-destructive to do any of this. But I believe our President isn't all there, anyway.
Why would I think that? Because they beat Egypt in 6 days. Right? And I believe Egypt even had help. But this is "assymetrical" war.
Well,and that's my point. As for me, I am anti-war, but really more anti-imperialist. I see this as another part of the Bush plan for the world, which I don't like very much. So, I intend to oppose the war through non-violent demonstration and whatever other non-violent means the anti-war movement can muster. Will we be successful? Who knows. I just know I can't sit by and watch this go on. I also think it should be linked to the war in Iraq.
As to the tactics, I've been doing some reading. Hezzballah exists as a result of Israel's first attempt to take and hold Lebanese land. I really don't want to get into a discussion about what I think of that, You probably can guess.
During that time, Hezzballah kicked Israel out of the country(although I know some will portray it differently.) This is why even their opponents see them as a Resistance, not really terrorists.
Tactically, what are they going to accomplish now (without mass genocide of the Shiite Lebanese) that they couldn't then. There is apart of me that believes the reason they are destroying Shiite neighborhoods is to displace large numbers of Shiite on purpose. If that is the case, I see that as a form of ethnic cleansing. Won't work, because I'm convinced the other part of Hezzballah is political organizing, and frankly providing services for the people. Someone wrote recently, "They could be living in tents and have great influence on Lebanon." And now the affluent are trying to leave. Very Katrina like.
So, you're left more excessive force, which even the British have become uneasy with - thus further isolating the US, by the way(and Israel) And I choose to be an actor as much as possible to pressure the bombings to stop, which there isn't really much support for even in the US. I think our congress misjudged there. This could be the end of the two-party system in the US in the longer term..but that is another discussion.
notice the comments that israel has LOST the war, because the arab street is not happy?
notice the idea of a cease fire? not a peace treaty?
how about this..
Israel will accept the unconditional surrender of the leader of Hezbollah, he/they will be put on trial for war crimes against humanity and will be executed.
Israel will accept nothing short of unconditional surrender, otherwise lebanon will be destroyed.
how is that for "terms"
amazing, the total number of israeli "kills" in lebanon is less than one typical week in iraq's shia and sunni killing of each other..
350 lebanese dead and the world screams, moslems in darfur murder 450,000 and the world cant locate it on a map
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-nipIdnU6k&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fbetbender%2Eblogspot%2Ecom%2F2006%2F07%2Flebanese%2Dtv%2Dsatire%2Dskewers%2Dhizbullah%5F22%2Ehtml
IDF succeeds in capturing Rass-Airy!
"And otherwise lebanon will be completely destroyed" Where have we heard talk like this before? Think hard. It was, er, maybe 1939 or so...in a, i don't know, a plce called Germany. I give up. Now it is clear that Israel has become everything it claims to hate. You're calling for war crimes you idiot. Israel's entire government should stand trial for war crimes...oh never mind.
And still, what will be accomplished by your slaughter. Bush has already said he wants the current government in power in Lebanon. So, the policy that is being followed leads to the opposite of what is being claimed. How does this make any sense.
Let me help Jamal out a little. Day 13, and the mighty Israelis are bogged down in the South of Lebanon. Strategically, it doesn't matter. In the end result, the hezzbalah will be absorbed into the Lebanese government, and Israel will have to decide if it wants to be bogged down forever in an "Assymetrical" war.
But from a moral stand point, I'm appalled to read comments that sound like straight nazi propaganda.
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