Tuesday, July 18, 2006

Angry Olmert Day 7

Today I toured a few of the shelters, well that's if you can call an open area with no roof and no place to sleep a shelter. I see a need for a relief effort coordination. I spoke to the supervisors in different sites, and while they are doing a great job running their sites there seems to be a lack of communication with other sites and relief organizations. So extra food in one site is not getting to places where they need food. The same goes for volunteers and other supplies.

Seeing how the relief effort will have to go on well after a possible ceasefire, coordination and long term planning is of utmost importance. So any people with ideas or resources to create such a coordination effort, please contact me or the different volunteer groups. We all can help, and we have to help for a long time as this is a humanitarian disaster that the whole world is happy to applaud. One thing I heard in all camps is that there is a shortage of medicine and a complete absence of the government. I'm sure the truckload of medicine that was liberated by an Israeli F-16 today in Zahle won't ease the situation. Also entertainers for kids are very important. They have a clown and a puppeteer alternating at one site, but just picture hundreds of kids bored and asking "Are we there yet?" simultaneously.

Now, what you'll find an excess of across every school, park, or any other make shift shelter you visit are high spirits. That'll surely make Olmert even angrier.

Later...

54 comments:

Anonymous said...

I was wondering how many fewer casualties there would be in Lebanon if they had the elaborate bomb shelter system that Israel seems to. Doesn't it say something about this conflict that Israel is prepared to be bombed (daily) and that Lebanon is not? If Israel is truly the aggressor that so many claim, why then aren't the people living in fear of them as prepared for the bombs to rain on them the way they have on Israel for the past year?

The civilian deaths in Lebanon are more than tragic and I think Israel missed a huge opportunity by not limiting their attacks to the Hzb controlled regions as they are losing many of their potential allies. But with that said (and not knowing much about the targets chosen from a military stand point, isn't it clear that many of the pictures of children you see are being spread for pure propoganda reasons and as terrorists are just civilians with guns, how many of those children were actually the children of the terrorists Israel is trying to root out?

Clearly if Israel truly intended to kill civilians there would many many more than what is reported but I can understand your anger over those innocents that have died.

Kodder said...

anonymous...
why lebanon doesnt have shelters?
easy...
its not a rich country.
you might think, hey its just a room with extra concrete and steel.
I don't know how it would cost..
minimum wage in lebanon is $200 per month in lebanon. just for the perspective...

Tell me why in WWII the country with the most shelters was germany?

the country with the most shelters are usually the agressors because they have been preparing for war.


http://fromisraeltolebanon.org

Anarchistian said...

Kodder - indeed!! Very well said!

What is "Occupation" said...

Stated: Angry Olmert Day 7

If he was angry, there would be no southern lebanon left.. if would have been cluster bombed, thank gd your enemy does not use the methods hezbollah does, you'd have 100,000 dead.

Stated: the shelters, well that's if you can call an open area with no roof and no place to sleep a shelter.

funny you get a 20 40 MILLION a month from Iran and can warehouse 13,000 missiles and cant afford a good bomb shelter? I guess you did not expect the jews to shoot back, so sad.

stated: I'm sure the truckload of medicine that was liberated by an Israeli F-16 today in Zahle won't ease the situation.

Yes, a shortage of medicine, the war is 7 whole days old and there is a shortage of supplies? not very well organized are you. we have a group called the boy scouts in the usa, they all teach to have a 1st aid kit and a weeks supply of water and food, good example to follow, i'd suggest all arabs should ask their wealthy oil cousins instead of paying million for suicide bombers, they purchase ready to eat meals and medical supplies.

stated: Also entertainers for kids are very important. They have a clown and a puppeteer alternating at one site, but just picture hundreds of kids bored and asking "Are we there yet?" simultaneously.

Just show them the movies from the hezbollah movie reels, they have quite the collection of snuff films, i heard most viewed is the Samir Qantar video bashing in the skull of that 7 yr jewish girls head until she was dead.

Enjoy the bomb shelter...

blogagog said...

"Hizbullah is preventing civilians from leaving villages in southern Lebanon. Roadblocks have been set up outside some of the villages to prevent residents from leaving, while in other villages Hizbullah is preventing UN representatives from entering, who are trying to help residents leave. In two villages, exchanges of fire between residents and Hizbullah have broken out."

Why would Hezbollah do that? Are they trying to make civilians die?

Ghassan said...

Jamal,
Could put your energies and connections to work in an effort to design and create a professional quality website with the capability of accepting credit card donations interactively. (Something similar to the the abilities of the majoe not for profits to accept donations). I believe that it would be important to have the said site without any political affiliations and to create pages that speak of the need in a purely objective non judgemental way.
I applaud the FPM effort and the few other ones that I have seen but none of them inspires confidence and rises up to world standards. Let me further suggest that if you have the wherewithall to undertake such a project then time is of the essence.

Anonymous said...

Jamal shalom,

The Israeli shelters were reinforced after Sadam Hussain bombed Israel in 1991.

I am sorry to hear about the shortage of supplies, and I hope that Hizbolla will give its weapons to the Lebanonies army, and give the Israeli soldiers to the Lebanonies government officials. This will allow Israel to open the blockade.

I heard that Surria is supplying more missiles to the Hizbolla. Perhaps they should concentrate on medicines instead.

The Israeli radio states that Hizbolla gunmen are blocking the way of southern lebanon villagers moving north. This will obviously allow them to keep hiding inside civilian population. Can you confirm these reports?

I haven't heard about the medicine truck. Can you link to more resources on that?

Regards,
Itai

Eugene said...

This is the first time you did something useful to help your own people. Very good. Maybe, just maybe, when you begin practicing love instead of hate you will come to appreciate Israel's desire to defend her peace. Propaganda is cheap, it obscures the truth, it takes people's minds away from reality into the world of angry metaphors that reinforce the cycle of hate.

But the truth is very simple here: no Hezbollah - no war - no deaths.

Good luck with your efforts to help children in bomb shelters.

Anonymous said...

ghassan,

what you suggested is in the works. it'll be announces once it is completed.

Anonymous said...

ghassan,

what you suggested is in the works. it'll be announces once it is completed.

blogagog said...

Once Hezbollah is gone, is it possible to have peace? Will the Lebanese that are left leave Israel alone?

Anonymous said...

Hi, I'm an israeli, feeling your pain and hearing your distress.
If only there was a way convincing u that people here really care about u
No one want that Lebanese will get heart, we all hoping for peace and wishing u will hold on and wont suffer.
I'm hoping for a day which I can hold your hand with trust, deep respect and love.
Wish u all well and keep safe

Anonymous said...

I am from Israel, and I am very sorry for what you are going through. It is a real pity. But what did you expect from Israel? To ignore the fact that it’s border is crossed and it’s soldiers are kidnapped? To ignore the fact that it’s civilian cities are targeted by hundreds of missiles? To accept this as a continuing reality, pay the ransom, and wait for the next time? If trucks are used to transport missiles against us, we will destroy the trucks. It’s hard to check what’s inside from 20,000 feet.
The sad reality of war is that innocent and peaceful people on both sides (which most people are) pay the price for the price for the aggression of the few militants and fanatics.

Laila said...

It brings me to tears reading your words. That's heartwarming to see you are trying to do something and help others in the tough situation you are trapped in.

And in the same time, it is sad that your nation has to pay this much (the casualties is closing to the terrible number you had predicted last week) to teach the invaders once more that this nation can not be beaten even through these most barbaric ways. They should have learned it in 2000, but they haven't and you have to pay the price teaching them once more.

The Israeli commentators, sitting in their comfortable places built and backed by the money of the West and the big brother- United States of America, far from bombs and air raids, are boasting and are really good to advise you arrogantly what to do and what avoid to do.

Keep safe and take care!

Laila from Iran

Anonymous said...

Laila from Iran, speaking of Iran and Iranians like you "sitting in their comfortable places, far from bombs and air raids," why are the Iranians telling the Lebanese what to do? That's exactly the source of this stupid war to begin with. Hasn't your dog Ahmadinejad and his barking mullahs caused enough trouble already?

mike said...

To Kodder
Lebanon is poor and that is the answer to the shelter question.
maybe it would be better if hizballah would put it's money in better houses and shelters.. but the yput it in educatuoin the next terrorist generation and feeding them - this way you build an army...andn of course in rocettes to kill others (Israeli) and to provocate a war, from which they know that lebannese civillianes would be killed in.
If Israel's goal would have been to kill civillinas, they would been even more deads. but you know what? Israel is not a monster - they are only people, simply people like you and me.
Hizballah misuses civilliane population. let's blame the real enemy!

Anonymous said...

My heart and prayers are with all innocent victims from both sides.

Dear Laila, if to follow the UN investigation concerning the murder of Mr. Hariry, the former president of Lebanon, a man that reconstruct Lebanon by his own money, a man that give hope to the beautiful people of Lebanon, you will see the footprints of Syria that is supported by Iran.

Did you ever consider the option that the distraction of Lebanon is due to the "love" of Syria, Iran and the Hezbollah?

Peace.

Lot, from safe (so far) Tel-Aviv, Israel.

Galit said...

Laila from Iran
i think you misunderstand something: Israel has nothing against the lebanese nation!!! Israel is fighting Hizbollah. unfortunatly Hizbolla is smart enough to hide within civillian population.
you are the one in the most comfortable situation. you don't even seat in a shelter or have to be afraid on your life (as many Israeli do).
Israel has also nothing agaisnt the irannian nation, as you probably know, Isarel used to have good realtion with Iran many years ago.
i wish you all the best
Galit form Israel

the perpetual refugee said...

Jamal, I'm interested in helping out. Please send me an email with contact details.

I am also trying to organize things from the Gulf for when a ceasefire (or some lull in the senseless Israeli aggression) is declared.

A lot of work has to be done.

Laila said...

How and why you thought I am supporting clerics in Iran or Ahmaidnejad is MY dog? Why you think whoever opposing what Israel does right now in Lebanon and
Palestine is backing Ahmadinejad? I'm secular and am against the theocracy in Iran.

But you see, this is a simple truth; when you invade a country, when you kill civilians in their cold blood, then nobody comes to discuss INSIDE. The first priority would be kicking out the invaders. That's what which will happen if Israel or States attack us too.
In 1982, an Israel-backed government was in office in Lebanon. Did that stop leftists to rise and fight the invasion? Never! The domestic problems and conflicts would be left to be solved AFTER the invasion is eliminated.
If you had read Jamal's posts before this war, you would have seen he can be labeled anything except for being Hizbollah supporter or a Muslim fanatic.

Something else which is forgotten here: The Palestine dilemma has been there in the region since six decades ago, so before Hammas or Islamist militants had ever come to exist. The same in Lebanon: the problems with the southern neighbor has been there and the first line of fighters was NOT Hizbollah. Hizbollah came to existence in 80s. In the first day of invasion and occupying Beirut, there were leftists who began the armed resistance. None of them believed in any kind of religion, let it be alone Islam.

I am not here to tell anybody what to do. I think that would arrogant if I sit in my home and tell others what to do (like what Israelis do). The most I can say and I can do is giving words of courage and sympathy, donating or something like that.

Anonymous said...

fight the hizzballa

Anonymous said...

I don't believe (or want to believe) that Israel would set out on purpose to kill civilians, but I do believe that Israel knows fully well that civilians will get hurt, but is sending the planes in anyway. The message that Israeli government is spreading to the Israelis via the Israeli, Hebrew media is that there is no other choice if Israel is to maintain the safety of its own people. It seems to be that the people in power want public opinion to move away from considering any political solution as a viable option for the resolution of this conflict. I was born in Israel but I live in the UK now. Whenever I go to Israel, I am horrified by the state of the media over there and by the lies and propaganda they spread. As a teenager living in Israel I believed the Israeli media to be above questioning. There are many voices in Israel calling for a peaceful end to this conflict. There are many people in Israel who feel the pain of the people in Gaza and Lebanon. Whenever I meet people in London who are from Iran, Syria, Lebanon, etc. We instantly become friends because in many ways we are so much alike. It pains me to think that my government is moving us further and further away from the day when we can live like good neighbours in our countries without fear of being bombed. To all those who have learned to see all Israelis as a faceless enemy that does nothing but kill and destroy, please remember: we have no more control of what our government does as you do of yours. Not all of us hate the Lebanese people and want them to die. Having the Internet and blogs mean we don't have to depend on government-controlled newspapers to hear what's really going on. Let's use this space to cut through their crap and get to know the real stories that are going on.

Peace

S

Isrealy said...

You're an idiot - May god have mercy on you're soul and a bomb will hit you're house and you will become a gimp...

you'res truely - a pissed isrealy

עם ישראל חי!

Anonymous said...

israely...

israeli people live ..in fear

save your commments to somewhere else.

עם ישראל חי...בפחד

Anonymous said...

Hezbollah is much weaker than the Israeli army. Therefor, they must lay down their weapons in order to defend Lebanon.

Lebanon must do the UN Security Council Resolution 1559!

(John from Romania)

Anonymous said...



אדון גמ'אל,
ישראלים: לקרוא כמו שקרן מור היתה קוראת (-;

אוי אוי אוי...מסכן שלי. אין לכם תרופות? אין לכם מקלטים? אוי אוי אוי...
אז מה חשבת?! שאתם תפתחו במלחמה נגד שכניכם, ובתמורה תופצצות בוורדים וסוכריות? אה? אוי אוי אוי...

לעצם עניין, אדון לבנוני:
אם אתם הלבנונים לא תצאו להילחם על חירותכם נגד חיזבאללה ואש"ף - לעולם לא תקבלו שקט ושלום.
עם גאה, ריבוני מוכן להילחם עד מוות על חירותו וריבונותו.
חיזבאללה אונס את לבנון - ואתם מסתפקים בהבעת תמיכה שקטה או פעילה.
אז מגיע לכם מה שנוחת לכם על הראש.

והאמן לי: עוד לא ראיתם אפילו לא אלפית מהעוצמה הישראלית. שבוע של הפצצות ופחות מ - 300 הרוגים? אתם ברי מזל שלישראל יש כלי הנשק המדוייקם בעולם. אחרת - הייתם הופכים לאבק. הייתם סופרים עכשיו 100,000 הרוגים וארץ הרוסה לגמרי.

כי במלחמה כמו במלחמה : מתים אנשים, נפצעים, רכוש נהרס. אתם יורים עלינו טילים - אנחנו משיבים בפצצות מדויקות. ואתם תמשיכו לאכול את מה שבישלתם עד שתחדור לראשכם ההכרה שיש מחיר למלחמה. והוא כבד. כבד מנשוא.
אנחנו נחרוק שיניים ונמשיך לחסל אתכם, לפגוע בכל מי שיורה או מתכוון לירות עלינו. ולהרוס את התשתיות שלכם, עד שתזעקו לאללה שיפסיק את הסיוט. ואיך נדע שהצלחנו? אם תפתחו אחרי המלחמה הזאת נוגדנים לחיזבאללה ולמעשי השטות שלו לאורך הגבול.

אני מבין את הצורך הערבי בסיבות להרגיש עליונות וגאווה - אחרי הכל, אתם הייתם שליטי העולם, ואילו היום אתם בתחתית העולם. אתם החרא של העולם. כולם עברו אתכם והתקדמו ואתם נותרתם בפיגור הכלכלי-חברתי-תרבותי העמוק ביותר, על אף כספי הנפט שמציפים אתכם.
אתם כל כך רוצים להרגיש גאווה, שייכות, תחושת ערך עצמי...
אבל אצה לכםן הדרך: במקום להתחרות בנו בפרסום מאמרים אקדמיים ופיתוח כלכלי, אתם מנסים להחזיר את גאוותכם בפעולות קומנדו מתוכנננות ומצולמות, כאילו חטיפה של שני חיילים באמת יכולה לשנות את מצבנו או מצבכם.

נו, לבנוני יקר: האם הרוצח המתועב סמיר קונטאר שווה מוות של 300 לבנונים, פציעה של מאו נוספים, נזק כלכלי אדיר, ועוד ועוד מכות שנוחתות עליכם? רוצים עוד סיבוב? תקבלו בשמחה.

Anonymous said...

You are a coward, the people of Lebanon are coward. You are being sodomized by Iran and Syria since forever and doing nothing. You can't seat and whinge about the "Disaster" as your country has, besides of it's regular formal army, another semi-Army, terrorist movement called Hizbulah.

If your stupid government got it self some balls and stood for it's own, no Syrian or Iranian forces where in the country, Hizbullah was not controlling southern Lebanon and you woudn't be runing to shelters every couple of hours.

It seems that the brain-washed Lebanonize people, who think of themselves as "Western", still can't grasp the Idea behind sovereignty. A sovereign country is in charge of it's borders and it's domestic law enforcement. Since Lebanon is not exercising its sovereignty upon south Lebanon and Hizbullah, Israel is forced to respond as a responsible sovereign country that takes care of its civilians who are being bombarded by Hizbullah and other terrorist organizations.

If you ever wish to leave in a normal country make your country normal. Don't expect the world or Israel to cope with the chaos in your country. If you want to allow the Shi'ite nephewes of Bin-Laden to use your country as their base for terroristic activities please also expect that your country will be destroyed, slowly but surly by Israel.

With regards and high hopes for Better future,
Ronen, 28 Y.O from Haifa, Software developer, serves as an armored corpsman on reserve military unit

Anonymous said...

Kodder - you are not correct.

The country with the highest level of protection in WW2 was Britain and you can read about it in:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/war/wwtwo/

Anonymous said...

Leave => live

Regards,
Ronen

real1 said...

You deserve it for being a nation of cowards and letting the Hezbollah destroy your country - time to pay the price. If you can't stop Hezbollah Israel will do it.

Anonymous said...

Did anyone hear the news?? Hassan Nassralla is injured badly after Israel targeted it's shelter with an anti bunker bombs.

May this be the begining of the end of this war.

Anonymous said...

What is "Occupation" said...
> funny you get a 20 40 MILLION a month from Iran and can warehouse 13,000 missiles and cant afford a good bomb shelter?

The irony is those who have been receiving 20/40 Millions and 13,000 Hizbollah DO HAVE THE SHELTERS. They are not complaining at all. They are merrilly issuing statements and waging your stupid war from their safe shelters.
It is the people who HAVE NOT been paid by Iran, the people who have not been affiliated with Hizbollah that do not have shelters, that are dying by the hundreds.

blogagog said...
> "Hizbullah is preventing civilians from leaving villages in southern Lebanon.

Don't tell me your source is ... hummm ... the IDF ? No way they can be saying that to put the blame on the innocents dying under their bomb on someone else.
Not that I would be surprised if hizbollah did that THEY JUST DON'T NEED YOU.
Read the IDF statement for the first day of the escalation.

They bombed all the bridges and roads going out of the south area to prevent hizbollah from smuggling the prisoners out of the south and then the country and prevent them from receiving weapons to the south. Those same roads and bridges the civilians would have used to flee the area but now they can not even if Hizbollah put red carpets on the ways out.

And then when the civilians are stuck and die by the hundreds we issue statements saying Hizbollah must be preventing them from fleeing!

Eugene said...
> Israel's desire to defend her peace

While defending her peace, Israel has caused 13 times more damage to its own civilians than hizbollah did in the past 6 years. Source ( according to Haaretz between 2000-2006 Hezbolah killed 1 civilian in israel, last week Hizbolah killed 13), you are not very good at arithmetics while defending your children and your peace are you?

Galit said...
> Israel has nothing against the lebanese nation!!! Israel is fighting Hizbollah.
> unfortunatly Hizbolla is smart enough to hide within civillian population.

And Israel is stupid enough to kill those civilians and provide more recruiting ground for her enemies.

blogagog said...
> Once Hezbollah is gone, is it possible to have peace? Will the Lebanese that are left leave Israel alone?

It was definetely possible before you killed hundreds and destroyed the homes of thousands, now all bets are off. I don't hate you enough yet to want to kill you, but I have no idea what those whose home is destroyed will want to do, or those whose families have died want to do.
I will just need to remind you that last time Israel attacket lebanon in 1982 to defend her peace (which I believed back then) and fight the Palestinians in lebanon, it lead to the creation of hizbollah out of the families of people who were occupied by Israel and killed (maybe accidentally) during the invasion. Iran just supplied them with weapons and asked them to attack those who killed their families and destroyed their houses. (it did not matter much to them if you said it was accidental, back then they were not your ennemy, the palestinians were, you created an ennemy out of people who did not care, out of Shias who did not have much in common with the sunni palestinians)

I don't know if this time Iran will not try to find those people who were not your enemy before today, those whose crime is they did not do enough to protect your safety while trying to escape the Syrian bombs of 2005, and give them weapons one more time and send them off to shoot at you.

I don't know if those people will stop and think about who they should bomb (hell even you didn't do that), about who is their enemy about why you killed their families and destroyed their homes, I don't know if they have access to your point of view so we can ask them to understand it in the first place or if they will want to go fight you no matter what because of what you are doing, I hope for our sake and for your sake the won't, but you sure damn are making it hard for them.

Lets me restate a point.
According to haaretz (go check for yourself) hizbollah was killing on average less than 0.2 civilian per year since you left lebanon, zero point two civilians per year, ONE civilian in 6 years.
Your way of defending your children and your peace lead to 13 civilian death in one week and it is not over. (PS the military death are almost the same 14 in 6 years vs about 15 this week until now while the troops are fighting in the south)

Even if it would have taken the Lebanese 5 more years to sort the Hizballah issue we were saving more lives of your own civilians (and military) that the IDF is doing right not.

Do not believe my words go look up the facts yourselves. In your own newspapers.

But you'll have it your way, of course, the numbers and facts do not matter to anyone .... If you feel it worked so well last time in 1982, maybe it was worth trying over again.

Anonymous said...

Oh and I am not whining, sorry if it mayb have sounded that way, bomb us all you like. Just don't kid yourselves about what you are doing to your civilians and ours.

Kodder said...

Mike, hezbollah are not the whole lebanese nor the government.

and to reply for one of the many anonymouses.
Britain had the most shelters after some years.
check the history.

Kodder said...

and jamal waiting for your phone call.

Anonymous said...

sam
New Member
Posts: 5
From:Abu Dhabi, U.A.E.
Registered: Jul 2006
posted 07-19-2006 03:58 AM
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Welcome all of you Guys from Israel,.. I'm Happy and hope more of you will join us,.. I think that we are all on the same side,.. I think your military guys are doing the right thing, I've made contact with a friend in Lebanon and he told me don't believe what you see in Al-Jazeera and other Arab Channels,.. The Israelis are only targeting the military positions of Hezbollah and sometimes they are using civilians houses to hide weapons and fire rockets from,.. so these houses are targeted as well,.. of course some innocent civilians will be hit sometimes ,.. My condolences to all the Israelis and Lebanese innocents who lost their lives, may their souls will not be lost for nothing, but for the peace between our countries and the end of terror in the Middle East,…

What you guys think about that post : www.free-lebanon.com?

Lot. Israel. Tel-Aviv.

Anonymous said...

לכל הישראלים!

בבקשה לא להתלהם!

לא תשיגו כך דבר. הם יודעים שאנחנו חזקים. נסו לעזור להם.

תודה.

shadow said...

The people of Lebanon should thank to god they're not dealing with the americans or any other western country.
No country would let a situation like this to continue.
I personally think that the Israeli goverment isn't doing enough to stop this terrible condition for the israeli people.
I think they can and should attack much stronger.
It is no joke, today hizzbullah is terrorizing Israel, tomorrow it will terror London.

Anonymous said...

Fresh Hizballah barrage hits Nahariya, Haifa and suburbs, Tirat Hacarmel, Jezreel Valley and Safed Wednesday midday. Four people injured in rocket attack north of Safed from Lebanon

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Day Eight of the war began with Katyusha landings over Nahariya, greater Haifa and Kiryat Shmona. Two civilians were injured in direct hit on a Haifa building. Food shortages are developing in Galilee where the inhabitants are ordered to spend

another day in shelters.

Tuesday night, some 50 rockets raked all of Galilee in a heavy 90-minute Hizballah barrage down to and including Haifa in the south. Twenty-nine civilians were injured. In Nahariya, Andrei Zilansky was killed two weeks before his 37th birthday as he handed his family into a shelter.

Earlier waves of Hizballah rockets hit the major city of Haifa, Nahariya, Acre and Safed. Tiberias and Shlomi were also struck. They ignited fires and caused substantial damage.

Monday night also saw a massive barrage of Hizballah rockets exploding in Haifa and across Galilee Safed, damaging local hospital. Carmiel, Kiryat Metula, Rosh Pina, Tivon, Kiryat Shemona.

Earlier Monday, 11 of Haifa's citizens were injured by a direct rocket hit to their 4 storey-residential building. Sunday, the first rocket attack from Lebanon killed 8 Israeli civilians at a railway depot Sunday

More than 1,000 Hizballah rockets have landed in northern Israel up to Wednesday morning. One third of Israel is now a warfront. Thousands of refugees have gone south out of harm’s way. Central Israeli towns, kibbutzim and moshavim have opened their homes to host refugees. More than a million civilians with many children are incarcerated in bomb shelters after a week of Hizballah rocket fire. As a result, civilian casualties have been kept down to 13 dead. Israel’s third largest city Haifa is a ghost town, its key port and universities closed. Businesses, shops and summer schools are shut; factories and farms have suffered heavy damage. The tourist season at its peak is disrupted. Emergency teams and police are working overtime

Anonymous said...

I am sorry for you all lebanis. you must get reed from the hizbolla, i don't know how. even us a "soperpower" in the area can't do that by our self. god be with you.

Angry Itai said...

Just remeber we can turn you into glass. Don't fuck with us, your power is pathetic next to us.
Nasrallah acts like an infintile child. He got crashed, you got fucked. Our actions are justified and should you cause heavey losses amongst our civilians we'll bomb your asses to the stoneage. So cut your shit before we make some damage you won't walk away from. We just used about 5% of our military capabilities so consider your actions carefully.
Salam Aleikum :-)

Delbarre said...

19.07.2006


Le Hezbollah et le Hamas se battent au Moyen-Orient, mais c’est en fait bien Téhéran et Damas qui tirent les ficelles dans le but très simple qui est d’obliger l’occident à les prendre au sérieux.


Les appels aux accents simili-gaulliens du Président Jacques Chirac pour envoyer des troupes d’interposition serait un cadeau aux organisations terroristes présentes sur le territoire libanais et à la république islamique d’Iran, le maître d’œuvre de cette guerre par procuration dont les Libanais sont les victimes collatérales.

Le régime des mollahs aura le beau rôle, un rôle dans lequel il excelle : celui de la victime qui crie à qui veut l’entendre que l’occident est en guerre contre les musulmans. L’envoi des forces de maintien de l’ordre sera un prétexte supplémentaire offert aux mollahs pour qu’ils dénoncent une nouvelle ingérence des occidentaux sans que nécessairement cette police des frontières ne soit en mesure d’empêcher que les mollahs ne continuent d’équiper le Hezbollah et de lui fournir des armes de combat.

Si on avait des doutes sur l’implication directe des forces du régime de Téhéran dans les attaques contre Israël, celles-ci ont volé en éclats avec les restes du missile C-802 de fabrication iranienne qui s’est abattu sur le navire israélien. Le C-802 n’est pas un simple Katioucha de la seconde guerre mondiale mais bien un engin sophistiqué qui demande un personnel formé pour la mise à feu. Selon un agent des renseignements israélien qui s’exprimait sous couvert d’anonymat, Israël avait la preuve qu’une centaine de miliciens des Pasdarans s’étaient déplacés dans le Sud Liban pour encadrer le tir de ce missile.

Le régime des mollahs déploie divers missiles sur le sol Libanais, outre les C-802, il y a les Katiouchas qui sont des orgues de Staline montés sur des camions ou des bateaux de pêche : ils peuvent être tirés de n’importe où et la mobilité du lanceur les rend difficiles à intercepter ou à détruire. Le 3e modèle est le Fajr qui a été tiré sur le port de Haïfa. Le Fajr est une fusée d’une cinquantaine de kilomètres de portée mise au point par la république islamique durant la guerre Iran-Irak avec l’aide de la Chine et de la Russie.

Les 5 premiers Fajr offerts par Téhéran au Hezbollah au Sud Liban remontent à 2001. De manière générale, les armes ou l’argent transitent par Damas avant d’arriver dans les bases du Hezbollah par la route. Ce transit nécessite la complicité des forces libanaises qui ont été recrutées et formées par les Syriens. De la même manière, d’autres armes iraniennes affluent en Irak via la Syrie et sont distribuées avec la complicité des policiers irakiens dont un grand nombre sont très officiellement des employés de la république des mollahs [1].

Si les mollahs disposent d’une bombe nucléaire ou d’une bombe sale, il leur sera facile de l’acheminer vers le Liban par les mêmes routes avec les mêmes complicités. Il faut couper la chaîne de transmission décrite par le ministre libanais des communications, Marouan Hamouda : «Téhéran fournit les équipements et l'argent, Damas se charge de l’encadrement, le Hezbollah exécute et les libanais sont les victimes». Sans le concours des forces libanaises, une force internationale d’intervention sera totalement inefficace.

Pour empêcher qu’un jour le Hezbollah ne dispose d’une force de frappe nucléaire, il est nécessaire d’agir aujourd’hui et briser la chaîne de transmission : le seul moyen sera de limiter les moyens à la source. Il faut donc sanctionner le régime des mollahs et installer une police des frontières autour de l’Iran et non pas autour du Liban, le dernier maillon de la chaîne.

Roger said...

I have to explain to you a few things about what is going on in Lebanon based on some of my experience. The media may confuse you as do the TV images.

First of all civilians are not targeted. Do you notice they never talk about Hizbullah casualties; of course they count some of these as "civilian" casualties.

For over 6 years( since Israel retreated to the International border recognized by the UN, in May 2000) the Hizbullah was planning an eventual confrontation with Israel. During these years they had attacked spordically testing their weapons.

14 000 rockets are now aimed at Israel. These
were hidden in villages and in homes of Shiite civilians in underground bunkers. Each group was given maps and targets inside Israel. The Hizbullah travels in private cars and min- vans and uses civilian truck to transport rockets and combatants. This makes every car every taxi a suspect terrorist vehicle. Hizbullah uses the civilian population as human shields.

Each group was given maps and targets inside Israel. The Hizbullah travels in private cars and min- vans and uses civilian truck to transport rockets and combatants. This makes every car every taxi a suspect terrorist vehicle.

To prevent their re supply and free movement roads, bridges, petrol stations, airports and other targets must be destroyed.


In Beirut life goes on normally in Ashrafieh les quartiers Monot, Verdun, Hamra, Gemmayze, the corniches. The only part bombarded is south Beirut El Dahia area, the Shiite bastion and of course wherever else they hide.
There the Hizbullah has built a network of underground bunkers, connecting underground trenches. Communication centers and some administrative buildings. Al Manar TV ( now bombed) is in the vicinity. This area is "off limits" to the Lebanese government.
L’aviation israélienne a continué ses bombardements en profondeur à l’intérieur du territoire libanais, ce vendredi soir. Vers 19h, on a vu s’élever une colonne de fumée au-dessus d’un immeuble de 11 étages, dans le quartier de Bir-Hassan, un bastion chiite de Beyrouth, où est situé le quartier général de Nasrallah.

Toutefois, Nasrallah lui-même n’était apparemment pas dans l’immeuble lors de l’attaque.

Un porte-parole du Hezbollah a confirmé que ni Nasrallah, ni sa famille, ni son entourage n’ont été blessés dans l’attaque.

Le domicile de Nasrallah est situé à l’intérieur du complexe qui a été attaqué par l’aviation israélienne, et des sources de Tsahal affirment que deux immeubles ont été détruits dans l’attaque.

L’objectif, ont précisé les sources militaires, n’était pas d’assassiner Nasrallah


South Lebanon is totally infested with Hizbullah operatives part time civilians part time terrorists. Of course there may be collateral damge cand some mistaken identities, killed.

During the last days Syria tried to move into Lebanon more Raad1 and Raad 2 missiles and Kayoucha rockets. These are longer range missiles with a high payload of explosives. That is why trucks have to be hit. Mostly civilian trucks. As Beirut- Damascus road was bombarded to cut off any re supply, they use the Beqaa (Chtoura, Zahle) that is why these came under bombardment. They tried to use the ports in Tripoli and even Junieh. Part of the Lebanese multi confessional army, collaborates with the Hizbullah. This was the case in locating Israeli navy vessels off the Lebanese coast with Lebanese army radar stations on the coast (supplied among others by the Americans to strengthen Lebanon). These had to be knocked out as some other positions collaborating with the Hizbullah. In the Beqaa valley there are Iranian Revolutionary Guards intelligence officers as well as instructors and missile operators. Especially those who operated a c- 802 (Silkworm) anti ship missile or ship to ship missile, killing four Israeli sailors. The Lebanese army as such is not a target of course.

The Hizbullah vaunt that it has enough rockets for years to be fired in salvos every day. Until now they have fired about 1600 rockets into Israeli cities and villages.


Iran has supplied Hizbullah with Zelzal (earthquake in Arabic) long range rockets capable of reaching Tel Aviv. They claimed the other day that an Israeli aircraft was shot down with photos on Al Jazzeera live. In fact it was a Zelzal rocket fired on the launching pad hit by the Israeli air force and as a result it fired itself into the air and exploded in a ball of fire.

On Iran and Syria, and their involvement see my postings.
When Hafez Al Assad was alive, he could control Nasrallah whenever he wanted. Now Nasrallah treats Bachar as a vassal. Saying, he, Nasrallha will protect Syria. He is now totally and absolutely an Iranian tool…

By the way Raad 1 and Raad 2 missiles are made by Syria and supplied to the Hizbullah. They are very much like fragmentation bombs. They contain thousands of small steel balls to maximize human flesh injuries. The injuries are terrible.

Yes, innocent civilians will die in the days ahead in Lebanon and Israel; that is the tragedy of warfare. The horrible and inexcusable cowardliness of the Lebanese government in the face of Hizballah threats will cost many innocent Lebanese their lives. They have no one to blame but their own
Government and Nasrallah. On the other hand, Israel must defend herself and her citizenry. The lessons of history ring loudly.

Anonymous said...

Questions et Réponses.

Pourquoi Israël mène-t-il des opérations militaires contre le Liban ?



Israël fait-il un usage disproportionné de la force ?



Pourquoi Israël bombarde-t-il des immeubles et des infrastructures civiles ?



Pourquoi Israël ne fait-il pas preuve de retenue et ne recourt-il pas à des moyens diplomatiques avant de faire usage de la force ?



Comment Israël peut-il attendre une action du gouvernement libanais après qu’il ait fait preuve d’inaction et d’inefficacité durant des années ?



Pourquoi Israël dit-il que la Syrie et l’Iran sont impliqués dans le terrorisme du Hamas et du Hezbollah ?



Qu’est-ce qui motive le Hamas et le Hezbollah, et pourquoi la Syrie et l’Iran les soutiennent-ils ?



Comment Israël va-t-il réagir aux bombardements de Haïfa ?



Comment Israël fera-t-il pression sur la Syrie et l’Iran ?



Il apparaît qu’Israël fait face à un conflit sur deux fronts. Ces deux fronts sont-ils liés, en réalité ?



Israël a déclaré qu’il ne négocierait pas avec le Hamas ; mais qu’en est-il du Hezbollah ?



Quelles sont les voies diplomatiques disponibles pour mettre fin à cette crise ?









Pourquoi Israël mène-t-il des opérations militaires contre le Liban ?

Sans la moindre provocation de sa part, Israël a subi une attaque transfrontalière en provenance du territoire libanais. L’attaque a été perpétrée par le Hezbollah, qui fait partie du Gouvernement du Liban. Elle était dirigée contre des citoyens israéliens – citoyens et soldats – qui se trouvaient sur le territoire israélien souverain. Dans ces circonstances, Israël n’a pas d’autre alternative que de se défendre et de défendre ses citoyens. C’est pour cette raison qu’Israël réagit maintenant à l’acte de guerre d’un Etat souverain voisin. L’objectif de l’opération israélienne est double : libérer les soldats enlevés et faire disparaître la menace terroriste de sa frontière nord. Israël considère que le Liban est responsable de la situation actuelle, et qu’il doit en subir les conséquences.

Israël fait-il un usage disproportionné de la force ?



La proportionnalité se mesure en fonction de l’étendue de la menace. Les actions d’Israël ne résultent pas seulement de l’attaque injustifiée contre Israël, ni de l’enlèvement des deux soldats. L’opération militaire d’Israël est également dirigée contre la menace concrète et tangible que fait peser le Hezbollah sur plus d’un million de civils dans tout le nord d’Israël. Le Hezbollah – organisation terroriste dont le but est la destruction d’Israël et qui contrôle le sud-Liban – dispose de plus de douze mille missiles prêts à être tirés contre Israël, et en a lancé des centaines durant les quelques jours écoulés. L’usage massif de ces missiles par le Hezbollah, qui a causé de nombreux décès de civils, des centaines de blessés et des destructions considérables, rend nécessaires les actions d’Israël. On peut se demander 'ce qu’auraient fait d’autres Etats s’ils avaient été l’objet d’une menace de cette magnitude'.


Pourquoi Israël bombarde-t-il des immeubles et des infrastructures civiles ?



Israël ne prend pour cibles que des installations qui servent directement aux attaques terroristes contre Israël, perpétrées par les organisations terroristes. Par exemple, Israël s’en est pris à l’Aéroport International et à l’autoroute Beyrouth-Damas, parce que le Hezbollah les utilise pour se réapprovisionner en armes et en munitions. Israël a également pris pour cibles des immeubles, tel celui des studios de télévision du Hezbollah, qui servent de moyen vital de communication pour les activistes terroristes. Malheureusement, les terroristes se sont volontairement cachés et ont stocké leurs missiles dans des zones d’habitation, mettant ainsi en danger les populations alentour. En fait, beaucoup des missiles récemment tirés contre Israël ont été emmagasinés dans des habitations privées et tirées de ces dernières, expropriées par des terroristes du Hezbollah, qui veulent ainsi protéger leurs actions derrière un bouclier humain de civils, pour empêcher une riposte d’Israël. Malgré cette cruelle exploitation de civils, Israël prend grand soin de réduire au minimum le risque auquel la population est exposée – souvent aux dépens d’avantages opérationnels. Par exemple, des tracts sont lancés pour inciter les habitants à éviter certaines installations du Hezbollah, même si cet avertissement préalable réduit l’élément de surprise dont eût pu bénéficier Israël.

Pourquoi Israël ne fait-il pas preuve de retenue et ne recourt-il pas à des moyens diplomatiques avant de faire usage de la force ?



Israël a fait preuve de retenue durant plus de six ans. En mai 2000, Israël a pris la difficile décision de se retirer complètement du sud-Liban, après avoir été contraint, quelques années plus tôt, d’y créer une zone de sécurité pour empêcher les attaques terroristes et les tirs de roquettes contre les villes israéliennes. Le Conseil de Sécurité de l’ONU a reconnu qu’Israël s’était entièrement retiré du sud-Liban, en pleine conformité avec la Résolution 425. Le Gouvernement libanais avait alors l’occasion de prendre le contrôle total du sud et de définir une frontière pacifique avec Israël. Au lieu de cela, il a préféré céder à la terreur que de la vaincre, et il a permis au Hezbollah d’occuper les régions contiguës à la frontière et de constituer un énorme arsenal de roquettes et de missiles.

A plusieurs reprises, Israël a formulé des avertissements et demandé à la communauté internationale d’inviter le Liban à imposer sa loi au Hezbollah, et d’obliger ses hommes armés à quitter les positions qu’ils occupent près de la frontière, et à démanteler leurs stocks de missiles. Malheureusement, le Liban n’a pas tenu compte des demandes de la communauté internationale d’exercer sa souveraineté et de désarmer le Hezbollah, et aujourd’hui, le peuple libanais doit, hélas, supporter les conséquences de l’inaction de son gouvernement.

Comment Israël peut-il attendre une action du gouvernement libanais après qu’il ait fait preuve d’inaction et d’inefficacité durant des années ?


La diminution récente de la présence militaire syrienne au Liban a laissé à Beyrouth plus de liberté d’action pour servir les intérêts libanais, pourtant, jusqu’ici, aucune mesure n’a été prise à l’encontre du Hezbollah.


Le Gouvernement du Liban porte la responsabilité de la menace que constitue le Hezbollah. Il a conféré une légitimité officielle au Hezbollah et a permis que ses opérations armées se déroulent sans entraves. Le Hezbollah n’aurait jamais obtenu les missiles et l’équipement militaire dont il dispose, si le gouvernement libanais n’avait permis que ces armements parviennent au Liban.

Il est de la responsabilité du Gouvernement du Liban de remplir son obligation, en tant qu’Etat souverain, d’étendre son contrôle à tout son territoire, comme le demandent les résolutions 425 et 1559. Par son opération, Israël espère faire pression sur le Gouvernement de Beyrouth pour qu’il agisse, et faciliter son action en lui assurant l’encouragement international et les conditions favorables au désarmement du Hezbollah et au déploiement de l’armée libanaise au sud, jusqu’à la frontière entre Israël et le Liban.


Pourquoi Israël dit-il que la Syrie et l’Iran sont impliqués dans le terrorisme du Hamas et du Hezbollah ?



La Syrie héberge dans sa capitale, Damas, les quartiers généraux d’un certain nombre de groupes terroristes djihadistes palestiniens, dont le Hamas. Elle abrite et soutient, sur le plan logistique, le dirigeant du Hamas, Khaled Mashaal, qui a vécu à Damas pendant des années. De Damas, Mashaal dirige, des terroristes qui, de l’intérieur des territoires palestiniens, perpètrent des attaques incessantes contre Israël et ses citoyens, dont des bombardements contre le sud d’Israël avec des missiles Qassam, et la récente infiltration et le kidnapping du soldat israélien, Guilad Chalit. La Syrie apporte également son aide au Hezbollah, sous forme, entre autres, de transfert d’armes, de munitions et de militants, qui sont acheminés par l’aéroport de Damas et les passages frontière entre la Syrie et le Liban. Le Hezbollah serait incapable d’agir au Liban sans un parrainage syrien.



L’Iran est le principal bienfaiteur du Hezbollah. Il fournit à cette organisation les fonds, les armes, les directives, et même l’encadrement iranien (les 'Pazdaran', ou Gardiens de la Révolution). Les missiles à longue portée qui ont frappé les villes israéliennes de Haïfa et Carmiel (le 13 juillet) ont été fabriqués par l’Iran, comme c’était le cas du missile téléguidé tiré contre un navire israélien lance-missiles, au large de la côte libanaise. D’une manière générale, le Hezbollah est purement et simplement une arme du régime djihadiste de Téhéran. L’Iran a également accru de manière considérable son influence à l’intérieur de l’organisation terroriste palestinienne, et au sein des Brigades d’al-Aqsa (Fatah), et du groupe Iz a-Din al-Qassam (Hamas). Il assure le financement, la formation technique et les directives opérationnelles de leurs cellules terroristes.


Qu’est-ce qui motive le Hamas et le Hezbollah, et pourquoi la Syrie et l’Iran les soutiennent-ils ?


Le Hamas et le Hezbollah sont mues par une idéologie djihadiste extrémiste, qui appelle à la destruction immédiate de l’Etat d’Israël, et qui s’inscrit dans l’effort international pour mener une 'Guerre Sainte' contre le monde occidental 'infidèle', et ce afin de faire prévaloir leur version radicale de l’islam d’un bout à l’autre du globe.



La Syrie et l’Iran soutiennent ces groupes, non seulement parce qu’ils approuvent leur idéologie, mais aussi parce que ces organisations constituent, pour Damas et Téhéran, un moyen de renforcer l’influence de leur régime respectif et de détourner l’attention d’autres problèmes qui leur ont valu récemment des pressions internationales. La Syrie fait face à une critique croissante pour son implication dans le meurtre de Rafik Hariri et son interférence dans les affaires libanaises. L’Iran est l’objet d’une pression, qui va en s’élargissant, à propos de son programme de développement nucléaire. De plus, la communauté internationale dénonce ces deux régimes pour leur sinistre bilan en matière de droits de l’homme.
Par conséquent, Israël considère le Hamas, le Hezbollah, la Syrie et l’Iran comme les acteurs fondamentaux de l’Axe du Djihad Terroriste qui menace non seulement Israël, mais tout le monde occidental.

Comment Israël va-t-il réagir aux bombardements de Haïfa ?


Les centaines d’attaques de roquettes, lancées en ce moment depuis le Liban par le Hezbollah contre Haïfa et le nord d’Israël, et au cours desquelles douze civils ont été tués et des dizaines d’autres blessés, devraient dissiper une fois pour toute la légende populaire qui dépeint le Hezbollah comme une force de guérilla mal équipée. Créé dans les années 1980 et agissant par procuration pour le compte de l’Iran afin de perpétrer les actes hostiles de ce pays contre Israël – sans considération pour la souveraineté libanaise et en violation de cette dernière – le Hezbollah a reçu des envois énormes d’armement moderne haut-de-gamme provenant de l’arsenal iranien, transbordés en passant par la Syrie.


Un officier de haut rang de l’armée iranienne déclarait dimanche au journal en langue arabe, Al-Sharq al-Awsat, que les Gardes Révolutionnaires de la République islamique [les Pasdaran] avaient établi des dizaines de bases de lancement de roquettes et de missiles dans la Vallée du Liban et le long de la frontière avec Israël. Entre 1992 et 2005, le Hezbollah a reçu quelques 11.500 missiles et roquettes à courte et moyenne portée. Cet officier ajoutait que le Hezbollah possédait quatre types de missiles sol-sol modernes : des « Fajr » [victoire], d’une portée de 100 km, des « Iran 130 », d’une portée de 90-110 km, des « Shahin », d’une portée de 150 km, et des roquettes de 355 mm de diamètre, également d’une portée de 150 km. Le vendredi 14 juillet au soir, le Hezbollah a fait preuve d’une capacité, jusqu’alors inconnue, en tirant sur un navire israélien un missile mer-terre sophistiqué, guidé par radar, de fabrication iranienne, tuant quatre soldats.



Face à cette grave agression de la part du Hezbollah, Israël fera tout le nécessaire afin d’éloigner la menace terroriste de ses centres de population, comme le ferait tout autre pays dans des circonstances similaires.

Comment Israël fera-t-il pression sur la Syrie et l’Iran ?


Il existe un large consensus, sur la scène internationale, à propos du fait que le terrorisme djihadiste constitue une menace mondiale qu’il faut combattre avec détermination et fermeté. Israël a été en contact intensif avec des gouvernements étrangers et des organisations mondiales, pour coordonner la pression à exercer sur ces régimes, et faire en sorte qu’ils comprennent que le prix qu’ils auront à payer, sur le plan international, pour leur soutien du terrorisme, sera insupportablement élevé.


Il apparaît qu’Israël fait face à un conflit sur deux fronts. Ces deux fronts sont-ils liés, en réalité ?


Dans sa conférence de presse qui a suivi l’attaque du 12 juillet, le Secrétaire-Général du Hezbollah, Hassan Nasrallah, a présenté la liste de ses exigences de rançon en échange de la libération des [deux] soldats [israéliens] enlevés. Elle comprenait une demande de libération de détenus terroristes du Hamas, ainsi que de membres du Hezbollah. Ceci est révélateur du fait que le niveau de coordination entre ces deux groupes de terreur djihadiste n’est pas seulement idéologique, mais qu’il est également opérationnel.


Israël a déclaré qu’il ne négocierait pas avec le Hamas ; mais qu’en est-il du Hezbollah ?


A la suite de l’attaque du 12 juillet à partir du Liban, le Premier ministre Olmert a déclaré qu’"Israël ne céderait pas au chantage et ne négocierait pas avec des terroristes concernant la vie des soldats israéliens.


Quelles sont les voies diplomatiques disponibles pour mettre fin à cette crise ?

Israël sait bien que si les opérations militaires sont actuellement nécessaires pour défendre ses citoyens en neutralisant la menace que constitue l’infrastructure terroriste du Hezbollah au Liban, la solution définitive est, bien entendu, diplomatique. A ce niveau, il n’existe aucune différence de fond entre la position israélienne et celle de la communauté internationale. Israël attend, de la famille des nations, qu’elle fasse respecter le consensus international déjà approuvé par le Conseil de Sécurité de l’ONU concernant le Liban, et de faire pression sur le gouvernement libanais pour qu’il applique les résolutions 1559 et 1680, impose sa souveraineté sur la région frontalière avec Israël et désarme le Hezbollah.

Pour soutenir cet effort, les dirigeants des pays du G8, actuellement réunis à Saint Petersbourg, doivent entreprendre une offensive diplomatique pour amener à un cessez-le-feu rapide qui aboutira au retour des soldats israéliens kidnappés, au désarmement du Hezbollah et à sa transformation en un groupe jouant un rôle politique non violent.

TomIsrael said...

As long as Lebanon don't take measures to stop the Hezbollah and destroy it.

Until you do so the ONLY responsibles for the death of Lebanese civilians are Hezbollah and the Lebanese government that hasn't move in and stopped Hezbollah.

Your tears are crocodile tears.
When you finish your duties toward Israel and the international community.

Until then, you'll have only your side to blame.

Anonymous said...

I am a 31 year old Israeli. I was born in Jerusalem and I live in Jerusalem today.

Many of the comments on this page are focused on the least important aspects of the current situation. Who is right, who is wrong. Who is moral and who is evil. Is Israel overreacting or are its actions just. We shouldn't care about these issues. Its like arguing about whose mother is uglier, or who has the better religion. They are subjective matters, to each his own. Lets all agree that Israel is a trigger-happy bully and that Lebanon is a hypocritic coward and now we can move on to more important and interesting matters.

In real life, there is no right or wrong - there are only facts and interests. Its in my best interest to have a peaceful relationship with my neighbors. Its in my best interest to live without fear of suicide bombers or rockets falling from the sky. Its in my best interest for every radical millitant Islamic fighter to perish. Its not in my best interest to weaken the Lebanese government or army. It is not in my best interest to cripple Lebanon's economy and infrastructure. Its a fact that Israel has the strongest army in the region and is not hesitant to use it (which means that Israel will ultimately have its way, like it or not). Its a fact that Hizbullah's presence in Lebanon is bad for Lebanese and Israelis alike. Its a fact that a UN peace keeping force has never been effective, not in Kosovo, not in Africa, not in South East Asia. Its a fact that Israel is here, and its here to stay.

The above leads me to a single solution: Seniora should put all of his efforts into finding the two captured Israeli soldiers and return them to Israel. Then, Israel should stop its attacks. Then, the International community should pour tons of money on the Lebanese army, train them, supply them with tanks and helicopters, and deploy them along the international boarder. Meanwhile, as an act of good faith and gratitude to Seniora, Israel should release Lebanese prisoners (at least the ones without blood on their hands) and supply maps of landmines in south Lebanon. The new and improved Lebanese army should focus on disarming every last civilian in Lebanon - noone carries a weapon unless they work for the government (i.e. police, army). Finally, Lebanon use its new force to kick out any Syrian or Irani presence from their country. 20 years down the line, Israel and Lebanon sign a long-lasting peace treaty. Everybody wins.

Anonymous said...

My dear Israeli compatriots!
It is nice to have the strongest army in the region (armed to the boot by that $3billion annual gift from Uncle Sam), but self-glorificaton does no good, especialy when it comes at the expence of understanding and compassion. I am not a supporter of Mr. Nasrallah, and I don't want to expand on this point because I have been taught not to badmouth in public. But whatever should have been done in reaction to murder and capture of Israeli soldiers, murdering hundreds of Lebanese civilians, destroying the country's infrastructure and exposing Israel to missile attacks was not the right thing to do. Generally I am not vengeful, but I do hope that both Mr. Nasrallah and Mr. Olmert (as well all the others who let this hell happen) will be haunted throughout their lives by nightmares of death and blood and will forever see in their dreams the bodies of all those who have been killed on their orders.
I would like also to avoid the arrogance of telling the Lebanese what they should do in their internal politics. It is *their* business, as long as they don't harm Israel. And if they do harm, Israel has a right to react, but in a proportional measure and only against those who attack it, not against the whole population and the political system of Lebanon. I am sorry to say that peace will not come to our region before Israel and the US abandon their attempts to settle the terms of political behavior for the entire Middle East. (Of course, this is not the only demand; the Arab nations have their things to do.)
I wish the people of both Israel and Lebanon to stand through this cursed war, without losing their spirit, to realize that war is not a solution to anything, to stop the killing on both sides with the aid of the international community, to rebuild the damage done to our beautiful countries, and to remember those whose lives were sacrificed by power-angry politicians and generals.
May peace be with us all.

Yours, from (West) Jerusalem

Anonymous said...

My dear Israeli compatriots!
It is nice to have the strongest army in the region (armed to the boot by that $3billion annual gift from Uncle Sam), but self-glorificaton does no good, especialy when it comes at the expence of understanding and compassion. I am not a supporter of Mr. Nasrallah, and I don't want to expand on this point because I have been taught not to badmouth in public. But whatever should have been done in reaction to murder and capture of Israeli soldiers, murdering hundreds of Lebanese civilians, destroying the country's infrastructure and exposing Israel to missile attacks was not the right thing to do. Generally I am not vengeful, but I do hope that both Mr. Nasrallah and Mr. Olmert (as well all the others who let this hell happen) will be haunted throughout their lives by nightmares of death and blood and will forever see in their dreams the bodies of all those who have been killed on their orders.
I would like also to avoid the arrogance of telling the Lebanese what they should do in their internal politics. It is *their* business, as long as they don't harm Israel. And if they do harm, Israel has a right to react, but in a proportional measure and only against those who attack it, not against the whole population and the political system of Lebanon. I am sorry to say that peace will not come to our region before Israel and the US abandon their attempts to settle the terms of political behavior for the entire Middle East. (Of course, this is not the only demand; the Arab nations have their things to do.)
I wish the people of both Israel and Lebanon to stand through this cursed war, without losing their spirit, to realize that war is not a solution to anything, to stop the killing on both sides with the aid of the international community, to rebuild the damage done to our beautiful countries, and to remember those whose lives were sacrificed by power-angry politicians and generals.
May peace be with us all.

Yours, from (West) Jerusalem

Dr Victorino de la Vega said...

"Is it the cries of brown children with flies in their eyes??"
says British blogger-poet P. Iscariot.

For Tex-Aviv couture house this season brown is the new black.

It's clearly a dirty color, the color of feces, Mohammedans and Hispanics.

The color of Arabian olive oil and Spanish grease.

Brown is also the color of terrorism: just look at the post-mortem pictures of Che Guevara and Zarqawi, and the fetid corpses of Shiite children littering south Lebanon’s valley of death...

Bushmert’s phosphorus bombs will bleach their oily skin and purify their dark souls.

Ronen said...

Maybe Olmert is angry at you because you started a war with him last week? is it possible?

is it possible that Olmert is pissed off because you launched more hundreds of missiles and rockets at Israeli civilians during the last week?

or maybe, just maybe, because you kidnapped 2 soldiers from Israeli teritory? maybe because the tens of civilans and soldiers that you killed during the last week?

hmmm....geee, I don't know...

Guy said...

guy(israeli)
i wonder why
90% of all terror acts preform by muslims?!(worldwide).
HA will NOT survive this WAR .nassrallah must die and we will kill him.
we don't want war with the lebanies.i think that the lebanies should take responsebility on their country or it will ever be a playground for terrorists. we are more then happy to join forces with the lebanies against HA. a free lebanon is a happy israel - why can't you see it?

Guy said...

guy(israeli)
i wonder why
90% of all terror acts preform by muslims?!(worldwide).
HA will NOT survive this WAR .nassrallah must die and we will kill him.
we don't want war with the lebanies.i think that the lebanies should take responsebility on their country or it will ever be a playground for terrorists. we are more then happy to join forces with the lebanies against HA. a free lebanon is a happy israel - why can't you see it?

angry itai said...

In a sense Israel is to blame.
With our Polish mentality we send mixed messages to the Arabs sorroundings.
If we had consistenly maintained the "the Jews gone mad" attitude a lot of Lebanese lives could have been saved.

They just have to get it into their heads. It's not Olmert who screwed them over, it was Sharon's doing again.

By ignoring their provocations and preparing the army for the right time to strike.
I wish we could better understand each other's mentality.

We don't have to be good friends but if we can't get over our differences at least we can become "good" enemies who know each other.

Anonymous said...

How come no Blog from Lebanon discusses the reasons for this war. How did it begin last week and why.

strange. very strange...