Sunday, July 30, 2006

Angry Olmert Day 19

Qana 1996
:'( )':
Qana 2006

41 comments:

Kodder said...

:(

eli said...

..."Dozens killed after Israeli missiles struck the southern Lebanese village of Qana..."

- and don't forget to say Thank You, Nasrahllah, for a briliant statesmanship which had trigerred all of this.
:(

Kodder said...

I am getting bored of israely comments...
its never their fault...

haifawi said...

Yes, it is our fault. So- what are you going to do now? To celebrate the fact it's our fault? So far, your leader nasrallah is the one that yesterday said with pride, that the israeli civilian loss is much bigger than what we admit.
That's the difference- we are not happy with what happened in Qana- you guys are happy about every civilian killed in Israel. The only reson you don't see so many killed here in northern Israel is that we are in shelters. I prefer being hated by you- and not being killed by your rockets (90 today, and it's just noon).

Kodder said...

le snif

What is "Occupation" said...

I am so tired of lame arab uses of kids as human shields...

if you want to hide behide babies to fire missiles then your a terrorist and those deaths are your problem and fault, just read the geneva convention, opps that doesnt apply to hezbollah right?

hey kodder, how about those red cross visits for the kidnapped israeli's ah... i see no?

live by the kassam, die by the idf rocket....

peace_head said...

kodder,

does it really matter who's fault is it anyway, when dead bodies are laid next to us?

i'll tell you what:
this whole world is at fault, for not being able to make peace. for not being able to provide safe and happy life for its people.

israel, HA, USA, iran, syria, lebanon... everybody is at fault. for not preventing qana I from happening. from not preventing Qana II from happening. and for not preventing Qana III from happening.

i mean, now what? HA will fire more rockets to avenge their deaths, israel will retaliate with more ferocity?

when is all of this going to stop?

it is our moral obligation to prevent this from happening ever again.

What is "Occupation" said...

http://www.news.com.au/sundayheraldsun/story/0,,19955774-5007220,00.html

here ya go, photos of hezbollah fighters in civilain areas

What is "Occupation" said...

any anger at the islamic murder of the israeli that was executed and them put in his trunk and burned?

any anger at the islamic murder of the lady in seattle?

any anger at hezbollah for the shoting of 100 rockets today?

no? ok

jooj said...

What IDF is now doing is pathetic and sickenning.

I feel so sick!

What is "Occupation" said...

jooj,

which is worse, hitting hezbollah and killing kids that are being used as human shields

or PUTTING THE KIDS THERE?

i guess you have no shame...

the concept "women and kids 1st" doesnt mean, they get KILLED 1st... but rather they should be protected..

so JOOJ, what part of using kids as human shield do you think is ok?

really...

and if hezbollah had murderered 100's instead of 50 would you be upset? no?

ok..

Ofer said...

What happened today in Qana is a terrible tragedy. The images of dead children in the rubble are almost impossible to view. I personally feel terrible. Jamal and fellow commenters, please don't capitalize on this event. These were innocent children with their entire lives ahead of them. Every father with a soul, either Arab, Jew or other, sees these images and immediately pictures his own children in the same situation. Don't turn them into tools of your propaganda. It would be doing their memory a great injustice. Just viewing the images from Qana shouts out the message loud and clear. May they rest in peace.

AmerLeb said...

what is occupation--

your comments are meaningless and have been on a daily basis. how very hypocritical of you to demand that we "mourn" for your losses when you do nothing but mock the deaths of lebanese. over 30 children dead by israeli/american weapons means nothing to you-fine. but DO NOT arrogantly demand we weep or feel sorry for your losses, when you feel nothing for us. a large number of lebanese know that hizbullah is wrong but that's not enough for you. israel can do no wrong in your eyes and is holier than thou--then you do not belong here, nor are wanted here. you must have been very excited to see lebanese children murdered this morning--so you can go rub it in our faces and say how we "deserved it". go troll israeli blogs.

What is "Occupation" said...

AmerLeb said...
what is occupation--

your comments are meaningless and have been on a daily basis.

thank you now let's see your responses are to my meaningless points

AmerLeb said...
how very hypocritical of you to demand that we "mourn" for your losses when you do nothing but mock the deaths of lebanese. over 30 children dead by israeli/american weapons means nothing to you-fine. but DO NOT arrogantly demand we weep or feel sorry for your losses, when you feel nothing for us

I dont demand you mourn israeli losses, i demand that you be honest...

AmerLeb said...
. a large number of lebanese know that hizbullah is wrong but that's not enough for you.

and yet a large number of lebanese had 6 yrs to do something and did nothing....


AmerLeb said... israel can do no wrong in your eyes and is holier than thou--

actually yes they can, but not when they are being attacked by hundreds of missiles a day, if they nuked lebanon, ok that would be wrong

AmerLeb said... then you do not belong here, nor are wanted here. you must have been very excited to see lebanese children murdered this morning--so you can go rub it in our faces and say how we "deserved it". go troll israeli blogs.

I am not wanted here? true, jews are not wanted anywhere the arab / islamic world is.. I am used to it, but funny

YOU DO NOT ANSWER EVEN ONE OF MY MEANINGLESS POINTS...

Kodder said...

what is occupation
you talk about the geneva convention, like its applied by israel.
hey they are using depleted uranium bombs, that shows how much israel cares about all the international laws.
and you israelies say that HA has started everything.
I am not a military expert but I think that jet fighters crossing the border is considered internationally as an act of war.
from 2000 till 2006 pre 12 july some 1700+ border crossing from israel. that enough gives HA the right to kill your soldiers.
oh btw.. SOLDIERS.. hezbollah killed SOLDIERS... AKA non civilians. its israel who then started with infrastructure and civilians.
then hezbollah started launching the rockets...
Also you forget how many civilians were killed from your mines since 2000 because israel refuses to give out the maps.
Also you forget the fishermen or people walking at the beach who israel kills "accidently".

let me guess, you will answer...blabla hezbollah...blabla we kill children? right?or some stupid tought in school propaganda.
save it. your broken record is stuck we are bored from it.

peace_head. before 12 july I was getting curious about israelies, reading their blogs. starting to familiarize myself with them.
because I thought sooner or later we will have peace, and I will be the first to be there to get to know them.
well now... its an entire different story. even thought that I still want to meet israelies, like the few thousand people who were riotting
in israel to get the fuck out of lebanon and stop the war or a few bloggers that really is trying to figure things out and challenging what their parents/society
tought them all there lives. it will be very difficult now.I cannot talk to an israely without feeling damn guilty about it, not to accuse them.
so beest thing to do... them get out of the country, get out of sheb3a farms, some european country gives AA missiles so if their airplanes dare to enter 1 meter without authorization they will be shot down ( yeah we dont have anything, just for the record when one said that the leb army was strong...BS), Build a damn concrete wall , maybe 10 meters high, gives us back our POW give theirs POW. and never hear from israelies for 10 years +. then maybe , just maybe the grudges will could down enough so we can start the peace talk.

What is "Occupation" said...

btw great video from the IDF showing those kassams being fired from that building in which so many innocent lebanese were killed.

according to the geneva convention, armed combatants cannot use shelter from civilians in times of war, this is a war crime by hezbollah

AmerLeb said...

"The building was not the target. There were missiles being launched 100 to 300 meters from the building. We don't target civilians and had we known there were civilians there we would not have fired on that site," Meir said. (An Israeli military spokeswoman, Capt. Noa Meir) Washington Post

And they're katyushas, not qassams you genius.

What is "Occupation" said...

Kodder said...
you talk about the geneva convention, like its applied by israel.

It may not be perfect, but last I checked arab prisoners of war are allowed to be visited by the red cresent, whereas the "prisoners" of the arab world will never allow the red cross to check on arab held prisoners


Kodder said... hey they are using depleted uranium bombs, that shows how much israel cares about all the international laws.

please site any actual specific data, but international laws are very clear about shooting rockets at civilians on purpose as is international law is clear about suicide bombers

Kodder said...and you israelies say that HA has started everything.

well islam started it in 683 by invading jerusalem...



Kodder said... I am not a military expert but I think that jet fighters crossing the border is considered internationally as an act of war.

ok fine act of war... but so is damming the water supply that flows into israel.. so there is a war..


Kodder said... from 2000 till 2006 pre 12 july some 1700+ border crossing from israel. that enough gives HA the right to kill your soldiers.,

ok, fine, does that give hezbollah the right to fire rockets from civilain areas aimed at cities? or is this not a war crime?


Kodder oh btw.. SOLDIERS.. hezbollah killed SOLDIERS... AKA non civilians.

really? over the last 6 yrs how many rockets hit and killed israeli civilian?


Kodder its israel who then started with infrastructure and civilians.

no, israel is hitting hezbollah and since as you say it's war, roads, bridges and power stations are all legit to hit in WAR.



Kodder then hezbollah started launching the rockets...

your timing is off... hezbollah condemed by the world shot rockets off while they were killing and kidnapping the soldiers, btw when hezbollah kidnapped the civilian several yrs ago, we that ok?


Kodder Also you forget how many civilians were killed from your mines since 2000 because israel refuses to give out the maps.

great point, your talking about the syrian land of shebba farms? go read the UN reports, it's syrian lands, not lebanese


Kodder Also you forget the fishermen or people walking at the beach who israel kills "accidently".

site actual specific points and i will respond, but as you say it's war...

simple point does lebanon accept the UN resolution that formed israel in 48? if the answer is no, the dont point to the UN



Kodder let me guess, you will answer...blabla hezbollah...blabla we kill children? right?or some stupid tought in school propaganda.
save it. your broken record is stuck we are bored from it.

Kodder, i am bored by nonsense too, but the truth is painful, the arab world loves death, loves to make marytrs and is anti-semetic and kills more of their own on a saturday than israel does in 10 yrs.

What is "Occupation" said...

kodder,

let talk this way...

Does israel have any rights to a country in the middle east?

Do Jews have historic rights in jerusalem?

let's start there...


bet I know your answer, but I will wait for your response.

Fouad said...

This is what the state of Israel was built upon, this is how it continues lives, and this is what will result in its eventual downfall. Violence begets violence. You should know this by now.

http://mirvat.blogspot.com/2006/07/we-are-not-anti-semites.html

padrino said...

Decade after decade the Arabs threaten over and over to play mean hardball with Israel. The Israelis don't threaten...they actually play hardball. The Arab world would undoubtedly behead each and every Israeli al-Qaida style on al-Jazeera if they ever were to lose. Any Arab of any persuasion should ask themselves how they'd feel if the were a 23 year old Israeli conscript.

The day Israel needs no nukes is the day Golan should revert to the Syrians.

All my research indicate Shabaa Farms is an insignificant issue compared to Israeli expansion plans in general.

Qana reminds me of the Palestinans cheering the scud missles falling (usually) on Israeli civilians.

Keep hammering S. Lebanon and eventually fatalities on both sides may reach 20% of the people killed by the Alawi in Hama in '82. Where was the Muslim/world outrage over that?

Both sides got crazed 60 years ago and their mutual insanity only grows.

Kodder said...

what is occupation you are "amazing"
all your answers are related to 12 july and after, but all my questions were related from 2000 to 2006 pre july 12.
read again, then answer everything back.

kashka23 said...

To the people of Lebanon who are reading this,

I was horrified to hear what the happened in Qana. There is no excuse. Anyone who makes excuses for a massacre like this doesn't have a heart and doesn't deserve to be called a human being. As an Israeli, I am ashamed of being a citizen of a country whose army does this. I feel disguisting.
To all the Israelis who commented here and said anything but something like what I just said: you should be ashamed of yourselves for even thinking some of the stuff you said here, let alone coming onto a Lebanese forum and saying it. The nazis said stuff like this about us. How do you expect anyone to think of us of anything but terrorists if we kill children and then blame the killing on others?
Yes, Israel is being hit as well and I don't think Israeli children have any less right to live in peace than Lebanese ones, but slaughtering a whole nation is not the way to get that peace.
Stop the war now and start talking like grown ups and not like stupid macho children.

S

peace_head said...

kodder:

you know, your position is perfectly understandable.
but as you well already know by now, not all israelis are the same.
and as quite a few israelis who read blogs now know, not all lebanon is hezbollah militants, or human shields, or god knows what. there are sunni, shiia, druze, maronite, alawite...
but there are also different kinds of israelis, jews, israelis who are not jews, jews who are not israelies, ashkenazi, sepharadi, druze, arabs...

and you know, blame fights is perfectly fine. it's much better than demonizing the guy across the border and leaving him faceless. because that's the moment where you won't care if a missile or a bomb or whatever hits their house and they die. that's the moment peace becomes impossible for eternity.

making peace is not as hard as extremists want you to believe it is. the basic human feelings of compassion live in every one of us. sometimes hidden by clouds of media brainwashing, or delusions of honor and grandeur...

we must fight our prejudices and make peace. that's the only thing that will prevent a next qana.
something that a million airstrikes or a million katyushas will never be able to achieve.

John Smith said...

We all just repeat the same things over and over again. Surely everyone has learned a few things he did not know about the ‘other side’, no?

I think this may be the right format for mutual understanding:



Things I think Israelis should know about Lebanon and Hezbollah:

The non-military part of Hezbollah is helping South Lebanon in many ways where the Lebanese government doesn’t.

Hezbollah is the only organisation that represents (politically) a certain sector of the Lebanese people.

Most of the Lebanese wants to disarm Hezbollah and have already started talking about it internally, but they are afraid this can lead to a civil war. The Lebanese had only 1 year to achieve that (only after Syria left) and not 6 years like it is often been claimed.

Hezbollah is much stronger than the Lebanese army.

As the attacks go on, Nasrallah gains more support.



Things I think Lebanese should know about Israel and IDF:

Israel has no interest in Lebanese soil.

Israel has been continuously attacked by Hezbollah rockets and small fire arms since 2000.

The Israeli public is divided over the Palestinian issues, but united about this war and ending Hezbollah attacks from the north.

The IDF do tries its best not to harm civilians, but rockets are being launched from residential areas.

Israel believes Hammas (and maybe even Iran) are waiting to see if Hezbollah will break the IDF to gain motivation for attacks against Israel. Therefore it will not agree to cease fire for at least a week or two in order to ensure Nasrallah can’t claim victory (he will do that regardless).



Your comments…

sgJohnB said...

I am happy, many Labanese die. We have a right to self defense same as US. We don't run away, we will come and kill all Lebanese. It’ couldn’t be stop. I will make you like Hariri’s death. There will be no future for Lebanon. We will make our dream came true.
Don’t fight with Isreal, leave Lebanon now.

Chinese UN observer, Du Zhaoyu is friend of Hezbollah, he is terrorist. He should be kill. Our government will never pay any to him. So many problem with those UN observer. They all should leave or be kick out. We are going to take the land and make more settlement and peace.
We need more growing pro-Hezbollah sentiment going on, the story must be carry on no ending and more destruction can be made. The fight would be extend and new weapon will be on test. So far we are happy with the destruction. We will made sure some Hezbollah carry on the fight, there would be no end of story.

Our laser bomb is very accurate. We see you clear, we lock on you from sky like Da Zhaoyu. What UN resolutions are you looking at, this is Israel war resolutions. We control of U.Nations. We don't talk with Hezbollah, we don't hear from Hezbollah. Your bite, we attack and attack kill all. Amen…..

haifawi said...

I'm pretty sure the last comment-sgJohnB- is a troll- please don't fall into it's trap

Kodder said...

yeah its a troll.
oh my God, we agreed on something. lets start from here. hehehe.

Kiru said...

fucking pathetic Israel is

Never Heard Of It said...

Rocket Science all over the place. There are too many Jackastor's on both sides.

With this cease fire , the Nato force should be put in place with Turkish, Italian, Norwegian, French soldiers (The US is pusilanimous) and Hezbollah should can be disarmed or surrender by force...

Then Israel's egregious actions of killing people by mistake can stop.

Is there anywhere to get a hummer around here ?

randah said...

what is "occupation" you are not human. you have no children of your own i am sure. if/when you do, may they be taken from you forever by suffocation under heavy rubble that crushes their little lungs as they try to call for you to help them when they are terrified from the fighter jets that fly above them.

What is "Occupation" said...

randah said...
what is "occupation" you are not human. you have no children of your own i am sure. if/when you do, may they be taken from you forever by suffocation under heavy rubble that crushes their little lungs as they try to call for you to help them when they are terrified from the fighter jets that fly above them.

how many of my kids have been killed by suicide bombers? how many of my friends were hijacked by "palestinians" or hezbollah? Was my wife killed by arab gunmen on a twa flight?

your comments show your hatred..

Neil Williams said...

George Galloway: Hizbollah is right to fight Zionist terror.

There was a deep historical significance to taking to the streets in solidarity with the people of Lebanon and Palestine last Saturday, 22 July.

For that day was the 60th anniversary of the bombing of the King David Hotel by the Irgun Zionist gang in Palestine as part of their campaign to create the state of Israel.

The attack killed 92 people, most of them civilians, some 17 of whom were Jewish. It was organised by Irgun leader Menachem Begin who went on to be twice prime minister of Israel.

His second period of office saw Israel’s “limited” 1982 invasion of southern Lebanon. It quickly became an assault on the whole country and claimed many thousands of lives.

So when you hear commentators say the roots of the current conflict go back to the seizure of two Israeli soldiers a few weeks ago, the roots go back a lot further - they go back over decades.

They go back before the invasion of 1982, which Hizbollah was formed to resist, and even before 1948 when Israel was founded and 750,000 Palestinians were driven from their homes.

The aggression did not begin in 2006. It began in 1917 when an anti-Semitic British foreign secretary, Arthur Balfour, gave in the name of one people, to the Zionist leaders who claimed to represent a second people, the land belonging to a third people - the land of Palestine.

There was a commemoration of the King David Hotel bombing last week. Those lionised at it were not the victims, but the perpetrators.

Alongside surviving members of the Irgun, Binyamin Netanyahu, former Israeli prime minister and darling of CNN and the BBC, attended the event.

He told journalists, “It’s very important to make the distinction between terror groups and freedom fighters, and between terror action and legitimate military action.”

He’s exactly right. That’s why I have no hesitation in saying that Hizbollah is not and has never been a terrorist organisation. It is the legitimate national resistance movement of Lebanon.

What the US cannot forgive is the fact that Hizbollah succeeded in driving Israel out of Lebanon in 2000 after an 18 year occupation, liberating all but the Shebaa Farms area.

This gave it a prestige across the confessional and sectarian divides in Lebanon and across the Middle East. Central to the strategy of Israel, the US and Britain is an attempt to recreate and explode those sectarian divisions as part of this latest phase of the “war on terror”.

It seems like only yesterday we were being told that the US and Britain had liberated the long-suffering Shia Muslims of Iraq from Sunni domination. Opposition to the occupation was supposedly just the work of Sunni die-hards and “rejectionists”.

The occupiers have fomented sectarian division in an effort to stave off a national resistance front. Now, the same imperial powers and their local puppets are fostering a reverse sectarianism across the Middle East as they try to leave Lebanon and Hizbollah isolated in the face of Israel’s onslaught.

We are told that yesterday’s suffering Shia of southern Iraq are now part of a sinister crescent of would-be Shia ascendancy stretching from Iran through Iraq and Syria into Lebanon.

The puppet presidents and corrupt kings who rule the Middle East from one end to the other almost without exception are spinning the same yarn. It is all they have to say as the standing of Hizbollah among the mass of Arabs - Shia or Sunni, Muslim or Christian - soars.

Just as all George Bush and Tony Blair have to say over the slaughter of Lebanese children is that Israel has a right to defend itself and all’s fair in the war against terrorists.

That makes it doubly important that the anti-war movement raises its voice clearly. To be for peace means to be for the justice without which there can be no peace. To be for justice means to take sides against injustice. The invasion of Lebanon by Israel, for that’s what it is, is a monstrous injustice.

I side with the resistance to that injustice. Hizbollah is leading that resistance. I do not hesitate to say, and Blair and his law officers may take note, that I glorify that resistance.

I glorify the Hizbollah national resistance movement, and I glorify the leader of Hizbollah, Sheikh Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah.

George Galloway MP
................

More articles (+pictures) by George Galloway MP and in support of the resistance can be seen on the UK Respect Blog at:
http://respectuk.blogspot.com/


Neil Williams
Respect Blog

George Galloway is the Respect MP in the UK Parliament.

What is "Occupation" said...

again, what does the state of israel have a right to have a country in the middle east?

ran said...

Hi neil,
Is this George dude a joke ?
I'll pretend/assume he isn't. So, what is your plan for Israel and the region (not only for the current crisis, but generally) ? I only hear complaints and resistance. What is your proposed solution ?

Maxwell said...

Jamal: you haven't posted today. Are you still with us? I hope you are.

xerajaldo said...

I hope you are still alive and well.

randah said...

"your comments show your hatred.."

oh no, did my hate show through my comments?? oh dear me, now you know that i hate you and your heart of stone and your killing machine. i was so carefully trying to conceal it. darn it.
never mind the point i was making in my comment, just focus on how you are a victim and the whole world hates you.

"how many of my kids have been killed by suicide bombers? how many of my friends were hijacked by "palestinians" or hezbollah? Was my wife killed by arab gunmen on a twa flight?"


about your suicide bombing remark, what did you expect after the first Qana for example? we were supposed to just bow to you because you have missiles that shred our children to pieces? you thought you scared us into submission? we were supposed to forget their lives and who they were? (because apparently to you they are just human dust)
we don't have technologically advanced war planes, so our last choice to DEFEND OURSELVES is unfortunatly to give our lives.

a suicide bomber is no different from a pilot in a plane who aims precisely at a SHELTER full of children hiding from him. we call that hunting.

would it have made it fair if we had killed your wife and kids by dropping bombs from planes?

stop spinning this around because you really are sounding like a broken record.

if you want peace, give the people around you their rights and dignity. your state gave the order to murder children, admit it and apologize at the very least as a human being and at most as a jew who believes in God.

jews have lived here forever amongst arabs, they were always good neighbours. no one killed anyone. we are of the same ethnic origin.

eli said...

http://www.decanter.com/news/90567.html

Kodder said...

maxwell, the reason jamal isnt posting is because there is no electricity in beirut for the past 24 hours.
some of us have electric generator that's why I am online.
supposedly there should be electricity soon and then he will post.

Johannjs said...

A solution to end the war in Lebanon NOW

The Lebanese could take their fate into their own hands, and not wait for the US to tell Israel to stop (actually, we know the US has rushed and is rushing more bombs to the Israelis for the continuation of the "war", which is clearly no more than the coldblood onslaugh by the Israelis of Lebanese civilians using US precision laser-guided bombs)

Don't WAIT for a cease-fire!

My solution to immediately end this continuing massacre is this:

All the refugees who had fled must now rise from their shelters and, with their children, march back south, unarmed, and drive the Israelis army out of South Lebanon.

If you agree with me, then please suggest this solution by posting on all forum boards which you know.

Thank You.